( there was something that tied her to sabrina but what did sabrina have? everything she cared for was ms. wardwell, everything they'd done under such an assumed name. yes, in this place all of lilith's actions (aside from her name) had been honest, had been free of plan or manipulation but that didn't mean they were connected. not just on that.
what reason did sabrina have to trust her aside from simply being from the same place? for being witches? was that enough? )
( She gestures at her, and then realizes that's hardly an explanation. )
What I mean is, what you've been through, what you've survived, it's clearly given you reasons not to connect with people. But if you do? It's strong. I don't think that can be one-sided.
( She reaches over to gently touch Lilith's shoulder, or she will if the woman allows her to. Nothing more than a small graze of support.)
It's not over. You're both still here. It can get better.
( lilith avoids it for a moment, drinking her wine, eyes not meeting eve's. because the woman is right -- lilith has more reasons to avoid people than to connect with them, a long time having spent keeping her distance from everyone. and where did it leave her now?
well, she could answer that but--
she lowers her glass, head dipping slightly )
Whilst she's here, whilst her aunts are not-- she'll be protected. ( even if her aunts were here lilith would still look out for her but framing it as if she's doing it specifically for a reason. she's a work in progress )
( Eve understands, she really does, despite all the differences between them. She's always been too close to people, crossing boundaries into their space, so Lilith keeping people at a distance is basically the opposite, the shadow of her own behavior. But she feels like they're both a product of how they were made, and how their lives turned out. )
Do you want me to check in on her? Not spy, just ... she might be a little more open to an Eve.
( If Sabrina was used to supernatural beings, Eve feels like her automatic position as the mother of humanity makes people see her as trustworthy, for whatever reason.)
( Eve waves a hand.) Oh it won't be connected to you. I'm sure I'll meet her eventually. I'm very friendly. (It's more surprising when Eve doesn't meet someone!)
I'll play it by ear. I wouldn't deceive her, don't worry, I'm also really, really bad at lying. (As if that's a surprise after Lilith met her.) But I do genuinely feel an urge to protect humanity, especially women.
( there's something that they have in common and lilith genuinely believes it. she nods, expression sincere and it's the closest that eve will come to being thanked )
I wish that I could say women didn't need such help but when men have ruled for millennia--
Ugh, tell me about it. (Eve sighs, leaning back in her chair and giving Lilith some physical distance again, huffing. Eve is very expressive and tends to go all in with her reactions to things.)
You know, looking back on things I'm kind of mad at myself, because it's not like I provided the best role model for my girls. (She drinks her wine, being less weepy than she ordinarily would be and more just frustrated.) I let Adam and God make me docile.
( lilith counters it, partly surprising herself but if there's one thing that she's adamant about, one thing that she's always fought for it has been female empowerment.
though like eve she'd fallen down on it. lilith might have made small changes to women's lives but she'd also stayed with lucifer, allowing his reign in the path of night, allowing misogyny to flood witch life.
though she'd been a prisoner, could she have done anything? (yes, but it's a fine line of blame and victim) )
Your choice was taken from you. You were created from Adam's rib, bound to his whims. That's a pain I know.
( being bound to lucifer but also powerless against a rib, her own used against her when sabrina and nick had discovered her plans )
( Eve appreciates it, because Lilith is not wrong, and the two of them know that from experience. A lot of women are held down in all kinds of ways now, but the two of them were divinely controlled from the start.)
I really wanted him to love me. (She's not sure why that's where she went with it, but Adam's a bucket of issues.) I was created to love him, not the other way around.
( that's all lilith had ever wanted too. initially with adam, though perhaps he had loved her just not accepted her wishes and then with lucifer. in the beginning, it had seemed as if lucifer had loved her but lilith didn't know what was true. it was easier now to believe that it had all been a lie )
Your gift now is freedom.
( she leans forward, placing her glass on the table by where they're sat, focusing entirely on eve now )
You were made for someone. Your power is in denying that, in choosing yourself who to love, what to do with your life. ( as lilith had, even if her choices weren't the ideal ones )
No one can refuse you that right. And if they do-- show them their consequence.
( Eve sighs.) I thought that's what I was doing, with my Lucifer. But I know now it wasn't right, because ... it wasn't me picking a life, you know? It was picking his life. ( It was hard at the time to see anything other than her desperation for them to be perfect and fated and meant to be.) I moved in with him, I waited for him when he was working, it was all about making him feel accepted and ... I don't know.
(She shakes her head.) He tried to make me break up with him, I see it now, by being just ... awful. Cheating, ignoring me, spending time with other people, leaving me out of things, and instead of calling him out I joined him, I pushed my way into his life in all the ways he was running away from me. It was pathetic. I was being pathetic.
(And the thing is, Eve doesn't know if there was a time she wasn't a little pathetic. Chasing after Adam, trying to be the perfect wife and mother, making her new life about Lucifer, it's hard to know where to start being herself.)
When he finally dumped me, I did something really stupid, I helped this bad person kidnap his nephew, in my brain I was convinced that somehow I could be his queen of Hell. (A wry smile at Lilith. See, they have more in common than she thought.) And I almost destroyed an innocent baby because of it. All because the only thing I can see myself as is someone's significant other.
( her tone is direct, trying to focus the woman out of her memories, to have her almost forget the past. there was no forgetting it but it wouldn't help her to dwell on her pain, on how men had hurt her. especially ones like lucifer morningstar. any lucifer morningstar )
You don't need him, nor any man. Men have tried to define you by a relationship, telling you who you should be, what you are. You're Eve. Mother to humanity.
( just as she was mother to demons and witches. but lilith isn't done because that title is still a definition )
But who is the woman? What do you want for yourself?
(Eve likes the title of mother of humanity. It's one she chooses to use more frequently than Adam and Eve, or the first woman as that's Lilith. She sees herself as a mother, it feels better than wife. It feels better than girlfriend. But as an individual, she still has no idea. She genuinely looks a little lost.)
Maze, one of our Lilith's daughters, she loves me, she wanted me to be with her. I left because I didn't want to define myself by her desire either, even though she's better for me, kinder to me, than any man has been.
(It wasn't Maze's fault she fell in love with a half-made person. Eve loves her dearly, as her friend, and also possibly something else in the future. But not yet.)
I want adventure. I want to experience the modern world, even if it's this version of it. (It still is advanced and unique and fascinating to her.) I want to make friends and feel like I'm accomplishing something, or that I'm worth something. I want to be real. (it's hard to describe what she means by that, but it is at her core. If she's been created for others, if she's a symbol, she isn't a person.)
( there's a casual hint of interest when eve starts talking about her daughter (not her daughter but-- her daughter), letting it fade to listen to eve rather than asking about maze )
Then it will be.
( it's easy to make assurances but lilith's going to back it up with something else, something that she didn't make sense but honestly it makes sense. and she wants to do it. she's taking control back of her own life, learning as well what she wants. this fits )
I spoke before about learning your power. That you'll do with me. ( eve could say no but learn from power, from the first witch ) And-- we'll find things that you enjoy. There are people here from many worlds, different experiences and enjoyments. Between them all you should find something you enjoy.
I've been enjoying gardening! (Eve smiles and gestures in the direction of the back yard.) My housemate Apollo asked me to help him figure out strawberries. I've been cooking and baking too ... (She shrugs.) Sometimes I wonder if I naturally lean toward the domestic too much because of how I was made, but also if it makes me happy, why fight it?
(She may be made this way, but she can also try to modify the things about herself she doesn't like. Not erase the things that she does just because it falls in line too much with what the perfect wife and mother used to mean.)
Chloe helped me make a real resume so I could get a job I like more. I think I'm going to be a bartender, I'd be really good at it. I like listening to people.
( she didn't admit it but that domesticity-- lilith didn't believe that it was because of how she was made, not when it was something that lilith herself also had a fondness for. she preferred potions, brewing them, the magic of it all but even baking had some appeal. that she did by hand, creating and shaping, using it to take her mind from whatever troubled her.
but it was a quietly kept secret, something that she wasn't going to admit even to eve. at least not in this moment. but she stored the information away, along with eve's other likes, thinking of things that could aid her )
Considering what you've done-- ( listening to all of those people in heaven, that's what eve had told her ) you're certainly-- experienced. Something which may aid others here. They saw to place me as a Life Coach when I arrived though-- it would be more fitting of you.
( Eve has only really started looking inside of herself recently. There was no reason to before, she went about the afterlife simply existing. She asked herself what she wanted and that was how she ended back on Earth, and she still didn't really question her motivations or inner workings until forced into it by other people. Humans do a lot of soul searching these days. It used to be so much simpler, but she likes the difference! Mostly! Only now that her self-awareness has taken root.)
You think? (She takes it as a very sweet compliment, clearly flattered. Her smile is affectionate. She feels so emotionally bonded to Lilith and it doesn't matter their union has been a short time.) I think they just pick jobs that are either really simple and easy, like grocery clerk, or something almost clever and ironic.
(Eve rolls her eyes.) Lucifer's an underwear model. Like I need a reminder!
Of course he does. (She has to laugh.) It's ideal for him, you know? He would walk around in his underwear naked for people to look at without needing money. (Eve loves him so much.)
People have been here so long. And they don't know why we're here or how to stop it. (And who is Eve to try and make sense of it when other people can't?) If you and Lucifer, with all your strength and powers and stuff, can't get us back, we might be stuck for real.
I hope you're right. (She is less sure, but she does want to go back to her world. She wants to know that if she dies she has the option to going back to her family. And she wants to see Maze again, not that she'd admit to as much. Eve does smile though and lift her drink toward Lilith.) I'm really glad we got to meet, though.
[ooc: maybe wrap on yours as we have new thingssss]
( the sincerity in which eve says that takes lilith by surprise a little and whilst she will admit that it has been a pleasant conversation, that eve had offered the insight that lilith had hoped for but not expected-- she's not used to such genuineness or even people wanted to spend time with her )
Perhaps we will again.
( though considering that lilith had told her that she'd help train her in her power it was almost a guarantee by this point.
she gives eve a nod, letting her glass sit back on the table before teleporting herself back away )
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Date: 2019-10-02 04:38 pm (UTC)( there was something that tied her to sabrina but what did sabrina have? everything she cared for was ms. wardwell, everything they'd done under such an assumed name. yes, in this place all of lilith's actions (aside from her name) had been honest, had been free of plan or manipulation but that didn't mean they were connected. not just on that.
what reason did sabrina have to trust her aside from simply being from the same place? for being witches? was that enough? )
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Date: 2019-10-03 02:11 am (UTC)( She gestures at her, and then realizes that's hardly an explanation. )
What I mean is, what you've been through, what you've survived, it's clearly given you reasons not to connect with people. But if you do? It's strong. I don't think that can be one-sided.
( She reaches over to gently touch Lilith's shoulder, or she will if the woman allows her to. Nothing more than a small graze of support.)
It's not over. You're both still here. It can get better.
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Date: 2019-10-03 03:18 pm (UTC)well, she could answer that but--
she lowers her glass, head dipping slightly )
Whilst she's here, whilst her aunts are not-- she'll be protected. ( even if her aunts were here lilith would still look out for her but framing it as if she's doing it specifically for a reason. she's a work in progress )
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Date: 2019-10-05 11:12 pm (UTC)Do you want me to check in on her? Not spy, just ... she might be a little more open to an Eve.
( If Sabrina was used to supernatural beings, Eve feels like her automatic position as the mother of humanity makes people see her as trustworthy, for whatever reason.)
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Date: 2019-10-05 11:44 pm (UTC)If it's connected to me-- ( but she does at least want to know that sabrina's fine, maybe have someone help if she couldn't )
You'd need a reason. Something Sabrina could accept.
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Date: 2019-10-05 11:47 pm (UTC)I'll play it by ear. I wouldn't deceive her, don't worry, I'm also really, really bad at lying. (As if that's a surprise after Lilith met her.) But I do genuinely feel an urge to protect humanity, especially women.
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Date: 2019-10-05 11:54 pm (UTC)I wish that I could say women didn't need such help but when men have ruled for millennia--
( well, she's sure that eve could guess )
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Date: 2019-10-06 12:48 am (UTC)You know, looking back on things I'm kind of mad at myself, because it's not like I provided the best role model for my girls. (She drinks her wine, being less weepy than she ordinarily would be and more just frustrated.) I let Adam and God make me docile.
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Date: 2019-10-06 12:56 am (UTC)( lilith counters it, partly surprising herself but if there's one thing that she's adamant about, one thing that she's always fought for it has been female empowerment.
though like eve she'd fallen down on it. lilith might have made small changes to women's lives but she'd also stayed with lucifer, allowing his reign in the path of night, allowing misogyny to flood witch life.
though she'd been a prisoner, could she have done anything? (yes, but it's a fine line of blame and victim) )
Your choice was taken from you. You were created from Adam's rib, bound to his whims. That's a pain I know.
( being bound to lucifer but also powerless against a rib, her own used against her when sabrina and nick had discovered her plans )
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Date: 2019-10-06 01:41 am (UTC)I really wanted him to love me. (She's not sure why that's where she went with it, but Adam's a bucket of issues.) I was created to love him, not the other way around.
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Date: 2019-10-06 11:44 am (UTC)Your gift now is freedom.
( she leans forward, placing her glass on the table by where they're sat, focusing entirely on eve now )
You were made for someone. Your power is in denying that, in choosing yourself who to love, what to do with your life. ( as lilith had, even if her choices weren't the ideal ones )
No one can refuse you that right. And if they do-- show them their consequence.
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Date: 2019-10-08 03:46 am (UTC)(She shakes her head.) He tried to make me break up with him, I see it now, by being just ... awful. Cheating, ignoring me, spending time with other people, leaving me out of things, and instead of calling him out I joined him, I pushed my way into his life in all the ways he was running away from me. It was pathetic. I was being pathetic.
(And the thing is, Eve doesn't know if there was a time she wasn't a little pathetic. Chasing after Adam, trying to be the perfect wife and mother, making her new life about Lucifer, it's hard to know where to start being herself.)
When he finally dumped me, I did something really stupid, I helped this bad person kidnap his nephew, in my brain I was convinced that somehow I could be his queen of Hell. (A wry smile at Lilith. See, they have more in common than she thought.) And I almost destroyed an innocent baby because of it. All because the only thing I can see myself as is someone's significant other.
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Date: 2019-10-08 08:28 pm (UTC)( her tone is direct, trying to focus the woman out of her memories, to have her almost forget the past. there was no forgetting it but it wouldn't help her to dwell on her pain, on how men had hurt her. especially ones like lucifer morningstar. any lucifer morningstar )
You don't need him, nor any man. Men have tried to define you by a relationship, telling you who you should be, what you are. You're Eve. Mother to humanity.
( just as she was mother to demons and witches. but lilith isn't done because that title is still a definition )
But who is the woman? What do you want for yourself?
( because no man would ever have asked her that )
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Date: 2019-10-09 11:07 pm (UTC)Maze, one of our Lilith's daughters, she loves me, she wanted me to be with her. I left because I didn't want to define myself by her desire either, even though she's better for me, kinder to me, than any man has been.
(It wasn't Maze's fault she fell in love with a half-made person. Eve loves her dearly, as her friend, and also possibly something else in the future. But not yet.)
I want adventure. I want to experience the modern world, even if it's this version of it. (It still is advanced and unique and fascinating to her.) I want to make friends and feel like I'm accomplishing something, or that I'm worth something. I want to be real. (it's hard to describe what she means by that, but it is at her core. If she's been created for others, if she's a symbol, she isn't a person.)
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Date: 2019-10-14 06:41 pm (UTC)Then it will be.
( it's easy to make assurances but lilith's going to back it up with something else, something that she didn't make sense but honestly it makes sense. and she wants to do it. she's taking control back of her own life, learning as well what she wants. this fits )
I spoke before about learning your power. That you'll do with me. ( eve could say no but learn from power, from the first witch ) And-- we'll find things that you enjoy. There are people here from many worlds, different experiences and enjoyments. Between them all you should find something you enjoy.
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Date: 2019-10-18 07:50 pm (UTC)(She may be made this way, but she can also try to modify the things about herself she doesn't like. Not erase the things that she does just because it falls in line too much with what the perfect wife and mother used to mean.)
Chloe helped me make a real resume so I could get a job I like more. I think I'm going to be a bartender, I'd be really good at it. I like listening to people.
( She's going to make so much money in tips.)
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Date: 2019-10-29 02:25 pm (UTC)but it was a quietly kept secret, something that she wasn't going to admit even to eve. at least not in this moment. but she stored the information away, along with eve's other likes, thinking of things that could aid her )
Considering what you've done-- ( listening to all of those people in heaven, that's what eve had told her ) you're certainly-- experienced. Something which may aid others here. They saw to place me as a Life Coach when I arrived though-- it would be more fitting of you.
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Date: 2019-11-03 04:13 am (UTC)You think? (She takes it as a very sweet compliment, clearly flattered. Her smile is affectionate. She feels so emotionally bonded to Lilith and it doesn't matter their union has been a short time.) I think they just pick jobs that are either really simple and easy, like grocery clerk, or something almost clever and ironic.
(Eve rolls her eyes.) Lucifer's an underwear model. Like I need a reminder!
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Date: 2019-11-03 11:21 pm (UTC)( she doesn't go shopping enough to pay attention to it, though once she's asked lilith realises that it sounds exactly like something he'd do )
I doubt they put too much consideration into what they do to us.
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Date: 2019-11-07 03:49 am (UTC)People have been here so long. And they don't know why we're here or how to stop it. (And who is Eve to try and make sense of it when other people can't?) If you and Lucifer, with all your strength and powers and stuff, can't get us back, we might be stuck for real.
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Date: 2019-11-09 08:33 pm (UTC)( sure, they haven't managed to get themselves out of here yet but lilith wouldn't give up. she wasn't going to stay here permanently )
I won't remain here. Not permanently. We will find a way out of it.
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Date: 2019-11-11 05:16 pm (UTC)[ooc: maybe wrap on yours as we have new thingssss]
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Date: 2019-11-12 08:16 pm (UTC)Perhaps we will again.
( though considering that lilith had told her that she'd help train her in her power it was almost a guarantee by this point.
she gives eve a nod, letting her glass sit back on the table before teleporting herself back away )